This week’s conversation is with Dierdre Wolownick, the mother of legendary adventure rock climber Alex Honnold.
You may recognize him from this year’s Academy Award Winning film, Free Solo, where he became the first person to ever free-solo El Capitan in Yosemite.
Alex was a previous guest on this podcast, episode 108.
I wanted to speak with his mother Dierdre for a couple of reasons.
First, Alex was one of the more challenging interviews I’ve ever had on this podcast.
Everything just seemed so matter of fact to him.
One thing I hope you’re noticing from listening to these conversations is how much one’s upbringing (their parenting structure and environment) dictate who they become and why they do what they do so I thought who better to have a follow up conversation with then Alex’s mother.
Second of all, Dierdre’s own story is quite incredible.
Inspired by her daughter, Stasia, Dierdre began long-distance running at the age of fifty-five, and she has since completed several marathons, as well as numerous half-marathons and other races.
At fifty-eight, she took up rock climbing with her son, Alex, and at the age of sixty-six, she became the oldest woman to climb El Capitan, the iconic 3,200-foot granite wall in Yosemite National Park.
Dierdre’s award-winning writing has appeared in magazines, newspapers, and books worldwide, and she created a publishing company that sells internationally.a
She just published her first book, The Sharp End of Life: A Mother’s Story, where she shares her intimate journey, revealing how her climbing achievement reflects a broader story of courage and persistence.
I think you’ll be fascinated by this conversation.
In This Episode:
- Being expected to obey, to be seen, but not heard and how that became the “hiding years”
- Why her family environment growing up triggered her to give up who she truly was
- The common traits both Alex and Deirdre share when it comes to withholding emotions
- Coping with the lack of family attention by becoming a great listener
- How her childhood shaped her parenting philosophy
- What makes her son Alex unique
- Why she refused to put Alex on medication despite other parents recommendations
- What the objectives of parenting should be
- Formal instruction vs guided discovery when it comes to skill development
- The reason Alex and her are both incredibly stubborn
- The principles she care most about: honesty and discernment
- Why cause and effect is critical to teaching your kids how to fend for them selves
- A moment where Alex came close to death and how she handled it
- Why it’s never too late to do anything you want
- Journaling is the key to figuring out who you are
- Her definition of mastery
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“You can’t know what’s important to a kid if you don’t talk to them. You can watch, you can observe, and you can try to come to some conclusions, but you can’t know what motivates them, what’s important, or what they desire most if you don’t talk to them.”
“A lot of life comes down to this concept of cause and effect. If you teach that to children then they reason that way as they grow older, and you don’t need to keep teaching them. You’ve given them the tools.”
“I was the only parent I knew capable of raising Alex to be successful. Everybody wanted to shut him down. He was hyperactive in their eyes, which he wasn’t. They said put him on drugs, take him to the doctor, get him diagnosed so you can get some rest.”
- Finding Mastery 108: Alex Honnold, Adventure Rock Climber
- Finding Mastery 053: Dacher Keltner, Social Psychologist
- Finding Mastery 036: Colin O’Brady, Elite Endurance Athlete
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