How you develop mental toughness is [by] becoming hard. How you become hard is doing shit that you don’t want to do.

“Most people live in this nice comfortable place that makes them feel really good. The temperature in the house is 72 degrees. They’ve got a fridge full of food and everything is great.”

They always ask, “How do I become hard?”

You sure as fuck don’t become hard by living that way.

“You have to take yourself out of your comfort zone and bury yourself in something that makes you feel so horrible that [tests] how your mind’s thinking in that horrible situation and [pushes you to] overcome the shit.”

That’s what makes a human being hard.

Catch the full conversation here


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David Goggins is a Navy SEAL and former USAF Tactical Air Control Party member who served in Iraq and Afghanistan and is an ultramarathon runner, ultra-distance cyclist, and triathlete.

One comment

  • Really enjoyed this interview with 'Goggins'. I've heard him a fair bit, firstly through Rich Roll and some ultra running podcasts but Michael he really seemed to talk with clarity about what drives him and what drives him.Congratulations on what's emerging to be a really fantastic source of insight and inspiration in to achievement. The recent episode with Amy Flood as well i thought was fantastic, so impressed with her understanding of what drives her and eloquently she spoke about success and family life. From one of the highest pressure business roles on the planet no doubt! Great business person and parent clearly!As for Goggins, he's always an inspiration to stop pussy footing around and get off your butt, but i think this chat with Michael much more insightful in to 'why' he behaves the way he does, his internal choices that drive him and the simplicity of chunking big tasks down and enjoying the pain and process. Fascinating.I've listened to all your podcasts and you've really started to develop a great style and format that makes all these people you chat to understandable in some small yet practical ways. From Lee Clow (loved than as an 'adman' myself) to Goggins (as an ultra runner and marathon man (did my first 100K after hearing about Rich Roll on reading finding ultra).Keep up the great work Michael, thank you